The Attack & Defense of the Mail Order Bride Business (Part Two)Written by Jamie Morrow
“You do realize that there is nothing about you as a person that would make anyone want to marry you, only things that you happen to possess by virtue of being lucky enough to be born in U.S.”
Amy I am a typical American man. My possessions are average and everything I possess came from hard work and endeavor. No woman's eyes are going to pop-out by looking at my possessions. I would have to say you are lucky one Amy. Very few places in world can a woman say such reckless and unsubstantiated believes as you have without consequences. But you live in United States, so you can promote unproductive agendas and extol feminist myths with no consequences for damage that entails from your deceptive messages. How lucky you are. But you know what; your misguided view does not penetrate my well-being. You are correct in calling me lucky. I often tell my beautiful wife Karina how lucky I am to have met her, and you know what Amy… she tells me same thing.
“You are trying to get something you do not deserve: love, loyalty, respect, companionship.”
Amy everything you have said is nothing more than an emotional diatribe you provide no content to your message. You are nothing more than a name caller. I can only imagine that if you had any physical strength you would also be a bully.
“News Flash: If you have to pay someone to be around you, then relationship is not real.”
I would agree. Why do you bring this up? The men do not pay for woman and women do not pay for man.
“Accept fact that you are a loser, doomed to be alone, or content yourself with finding another loser like yourself who may want to be with you.”
Amy I am a happily married man living a fun life. Any objective person would be able to see your considerations are clouded with hate and bigotry. You hate idea of American men having alternatives to American women, and you have a superiority complex and a prejudice towards foreign women. A confidant woman would not be threatened by competition, but it appears to scare you. You hide your fear under guise that you care about these women to point that you fabricate their condition and what is in their hearts. If anyone should be ashamed Amy, it is you.
“Lower your standards to what you can reasonably attain, and leave these poor, vulnerable women alone. I want to cry when I think of horror these women face when they are stuck with losers like you.”
I feel very sorry for you Amy. Your self-inflicted pain comes from a vision of terror that does not exist. I hope it is not too late for you to feel better about yourself. I invite you to answer all questions I have asked, and by that I do not mean respond. I mean actually answer my questions, surprise me with an exchange void of glaring lies and insulting attacks. Can you raise yourself to those standards? If what you believe is true, you should have no difficulty in presenting a logical, rightful position. Now if you don't mind, I have to eat dinner, burned rice.
Jamie Engage Exotic - Latin Mail Order Brides http://International-Introductions.com
I would like to say that I am sorry for launching a personal attack on you, a total stranger. I have just heard so many horror stories about these kinds of things. But I did let my anger at these injustices get better of me, and I should not have.
Amy apologizes for personal attack; yet what injustice and horror stories is she referring to? It appears she is saying that foreign women from developing countries that marry American men are at risk. But she does not say what this risk is, why they are at risk, to what extent they are at risk or if risk is any different than any American man or American woman would face being married. Amy does not factor in any evidence to justify her emotional outcry. Her anger is based on a false conclusion. That said, I do find your website extremely offensive and inflammatory in that you stereotype and degrade American women by saying that men can find "younger, more beautiful women than what is locally available" in Latin America.
This fact does not degrade American women. It speaks of competitive advantage that American men have internationally due to qualities that foreign women appreciate and are often not accustomed to from local men. What I believe you find "offensive" is American men selecting a foreign wife that you consider to be of lower caliber than American women. That statement does not speak very highly of your customers - it also stereotypes them (as shallow).
Why is it shallow to appreciate beauty and youth? You can claim beauty is superficial, but reality is most of us want to be beautiful (women more so than men) and most men enjoy company of beautiful looking women. If we want chocolate instead of broccoli you telling us that broccoli has more nutrition and substance than chocolate does not make us superficial for our selection of chocolate. It is ironic because you imply that American women place too much importance on money and personality, and then you appeal to superficial and shallow aspects of your customers who are placing importance on age and physical appearance.
People do not consider youth and beauty as irrelevant as you do. At no time do I say this is all that men want and at no time does wanting a beautiful, young, foreign wife correlate to superficiality on their part. What you are doing is no different than calling someone shallow and superficial for playing paddle ball on beach instead of chess in den. Do these men seem any more noble than American women (as you describe them) that they are trying to avoid?
I never said these men are trying to "avoid" American women. I am pronouncing that they have other alternatives to American women, an extension of their search horizon. I understand that these are marketing tactics and you must appeal to your customers. But relationships are not trade negotiations, where one party says: "o.k., I am bringing X beauty points to table and Y personality points, what does that buy me?"
The Attack & Defense of the Mail Order Bride Business (Part One)Written by Jamie Morrow
I am just taking a moment to write because I came across your site on internet while researching legality of mail order bride services. I am not going to tell you anything you do not already know. You must realize that only reason males look for brides from impoverished nations is because these are only women who are desperate enough to pretend to care about you. If these mail order brides from Asia, Latin America, Eastern Europe, etc. were financially independent, or had any options in their home countries, they would not even give you time of day. You have struck out with American women because you have nothing to offer. I'm not speaking about monetary wealth here; I'm saying you have no good qualities at all. Surprise! Did it ever occur to you that things you look for in a woman might be similar to qualities that women look for in men? (That is, women who have options). Kindness, intelligence, sense of humor, morality - these are all desirable qualities, none of which have anything to do with money. You are just trying to console yourself for being undesirable by saying that American women only want "Mr. Big". The only thing you can offer is passage to America and a possible green card (things that American women do not need). So you provide these things to lure vulnerable young women away from lives of poverty. Are you at all embarrassed or ashamed about that? You do realize that there is nothing about you as a person that would make anyone want to marry you, only things that you happen to possess by virtue of being lucky enough to be born in U.S. You are trying to get something you do not deserve: love, loyalty, respect, companionship. News Flash: If you have to pay someone to be around you, then relationship is not real. Accept fact that you are a loser, doomed to be alone, or content yourself with finding another loser like yourself who may want to be with you. Lower your standards to what you can reasonably attain, and leave these poor, vulnerable women alone. I want to cry when I think of horror these women face when they are stuck with losers like you. Sincerely, Amy XXXXXXX
Amy I am going to try to start a dialogue with you. I suspect this will be difficult based on your preference for name-calling, but I will still try to enlighten you on why your assumptions and impressions are not accurate. My experience with people who attack from an emotional, indoctrinated bias is that they are not inclined to learn or change regardless of facts. However, my points will serve others. Understand every point I make will have exceptions, and that forming opinions on infrequent deviations does not diminish overall benefits for involved majority.
“You must realize that only reason males look for brides from impoverished nations is because these are only women who are desperate enough to pretend to care about you.”
Amy this is not true men select foreign brides for a variety of reasons. Some for their ethnicity, some for their values, some for their charm, list is endless. What would be on bottom of list would be desperation; neither men nor women are desperate. The idea that these women would leave their home, family, friends and all familiarities of their home country for a phony marriage is a sad perspective you have of such women. Believing all inhabitants of developing countries feel impoverished and desperate is a silly notion. The majority of women on my website are average Colombian women who lead happy, productive lives. They know of only one existence. They do not compare being in you shoes and conclude from this that they have unfulfilled lives. The only "pretending" I see is you pretending to know me and women you have never talked to. Unbeknownst to you, these women do defend their rights to choose who they marry, for example:
“I'm from Colombia South America and have friends that would love to find men from other country's. Not because we are so poor as some of you seem to think but because men here enjoy cheating on there wife's and getting drunk. But I could be wrong it does seem you know more about my country then I do.”
You would get same general response regardless of what foreign bride you talked to. But be honest Amy, you don't have any respect for how these women feel and believe. My guess is their opinions are meaningless to you because you would rationalize that since they make choices you disagree with they must not know what they are doing, is this not right?
“If these mail order brides from Asia, Latin America, Eastern Europe, etc. were financially independent, or had any options in their home countries, they would not even give you time of day.”
Again, you belittle these women. A look at women's profiles would tell you that they come from all walks of life some are professionals, some are students, some are maids and some do not work, and yes, some cannot find work. However, what makes you think they do not have options for men and path they take in life? Of course, their economic opportunities are not as strong as in Western world, but this does not mean their opportunities for happiness is any less so, does it? Or are you correlating happiness with wealth?
“You have struck out with American women because you have nothing to offer. I'm not speaking about monetary wealth here, I'm saying you have no good qualities at all.”
Before I speak of me personally, men seeking foreign women do so out of choice. They have no lack of options they have preferences. Are you against this choice? Do you believe American women or so high and mighty that any man that chooses not to connect with one is inadequate? You know nothing of my history yet you conclude this. I have a very positive impression of American women and I have been romantically successful with them all my life. I love American woman's complexity, independence, strength, diversity, unpredictability and companionship. I love fight in American woman. It would not occur to me to see an American woman married to a foreign man from a third world county and think that she did so because she struck out with American men. I would think that she fell in love and he fell in love. But you don't appear to think in these terms. To you one was lacking good qualities and had no choice. Is this not a fair interpretation? I should let you know men from all walks of live marry foreign brides, their doctors, entrepreneurs, professionals, government employees, firemen, college students and soldiers. Isn't this something, men just as women come from all walks of live and you want to tell them where and how far they should walk. But let us accept your premise, lets say a man did strike out all his life with American women. Does this mean he shouldn't look elsewhere? Does this mean he should be alone? Is it possible women of different cultures might have a different perspective in how they evaluate this man, and what you would consider as shortcoming others may find desirable. Is this possible Amy or should we just prohibit his efforts?